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Re: 2009 328ci SULEV Fuel Pump [shipo]: by teebone1958 on Tue Nov 18 07:01:50 PST 2008; The key point is that the SULEV engines have the fuel pump\filter SEALED in the gas tank. I have no problem with the pump being in the tank, the problem I have is that it is non serviceable w\o replacing the entire tank. The SULEV engines are shipped and sold in NY, CA, VT, MA, and ME. This engine setup includes a fuel pump and filter which are sealed into the gas tank which makes them unserviceable without the replacement of the $7995 dollar gas tank. I beleive that this is a horrible design which becomes the problem of the consumer. If you beleive this is a good design, I will have to respectfully disagree. In essence, I do not want to own a car which has a single mechanical point of failure which can cause a 8000 dollar repair (w\o labor). As otherwise, I like the car (and the BMW make), I want to make sure the next car I buy does not have such a bad design (to be clear, I am ok with the pump\filter in the tank as long as it can be replaced if it goes (as they do sometimes especially with the introduction of ethanol in the fuel). Therefore I have two questions: 1. Does anyone know if the 2008 or 2009 SULEV engines have a non serviceable fuel pump\filter? 2. Does a dealership in a SULEV state have to sell the SULEV engine only (or can they sell a non SULEV engine? From what I understand, the non SULEV engine does not have the pump\filter SEALED into the gas tank. In other words it is replaceable. Also, I do not beleive in 'lifetime' filters.

GOOD BYE VUE: by gearhead12 on Tue Nov 18 06:37:33 PST 2008; This is a great day. Today I finally got rid of my 2003 Saturn Vue. This vehicle has been trouble since day 1. The Saturn team promotes that they do things differently, and they do, they just don�t do most things better. A few examples of things that have gone wrong: The front suspension sounds like it is falling out of the car and has been to Saturn several times for tightening of bolts�which has NOT fixed the issue. The transmission gives you whiplash every time you put it into DRIVE. The valve covers LEAK like Niagra Falls and the muffler has a hole in it. Now I am somewhat capable of working on a vehicle � I am an Electrical Engineer that auto races as a hobby. I have fixed wrecked cars, and even built my own motors so I am not afraid to dig in and do the work. However, the design of this vehicle is ridiculous and frustrates even the somewhat mechanically capable customers. In reference to the valve covers, the valve covers were leaking and upon initial investigation I thought oh I will just pull the valve cover off and clean the gaskets and re-install. Upon investigating the issue, I found each of the bolts in the valve cover (which I think is plastic) were loose and ready to fall out. I thought oh this must be why they are leaking and snugged them up (did not over tighten). Well the leak was less but still fairly bad. So I went back to investigate removing the valve cover to clean up and re-install. Well much to my surprise YOU HAVE TO TAKE THE INTAKE MANIFOLD OFF TO REPLACE THE VALVE COVER AND THE SPARK PLUGS�..Who approved this design � some idiot that never got their hands dirty and has NO knowledge of what customer satisfaction is�..$500 - $600 to replace these parts � WHAT A JOKE��. 2nd Issue � Oil Filter Cover. Went to change the oil and found that the car doesn�t have a standard oil filter can. The motor is designed so that you only have to replace the element which is contained in a housing on the front of the motor. So instead of the $2 oil filter it cost you $6 for the element (remember it�s different � but it�s not better). So after a few oil filter changes I go to remove the oil filter cover and while removing it the cover breaks into 3 pieces. I call Saturn and they say they have plenty of these in stock and they get calls about them all the time. When I show up at the parts department they charge me some outrageous price (~30.00) for a replacement cover. I say to them that don�t you think you should give me the cover for free since it had a design issue (that I noticed was fixed on the new cover) and the attendant just laughs�.and says NO�� 3rd Issue � Tranny Clunks Into Drive. This issue started very early in the vehicles life and was defined by the dealer as STANDARD OPERATING PROCEDURE. It�s funny because we were going to trade the vehicle in on a Nissan that was at a Saturn Dealer and the person that evaluated it for trade in said this vehicle has a tranny issue and we said well that�s funny because your staff told us that is standard operating procedure�..Funny that the Saturn Dealer couldn�t get their stories straight (is it a problem or is it Standard Op.) Needless to say we didn�t trade it in their�.. 4th, 5th, 6th issue��.I better stop or I may end up with a book��.. In closing, all I have to say is it is a great day � BYE BYE VUE and YOU WILL NEVER EVER FIND ME AT A SATURN DEALERSHIP AGAIN. And then GM wonders why they are hurting so bad --- I�m not�.

Re: Left lane enforcers & gators [elias]: by damnit1 on Mon Nov 17 18:46:59 PST 2008; OH MY GOSH, I SEE SOME CRAZY STUFF LIKE THAT HERE IN OKLAHOMA, I DRIVE A DELIVERY TRUCK AND LET ME TELL YOU ,I SEE SOME CRAZY STUFF OUT HERE !!!! :surprise:

Re: UAW [imidazol97]: by cooterbfd on Mon Nov 17 14:34:39 PST 2008; ".....The retirees need to take a cut in their lush pay checks and health care plans to help the company they bled for so many years. While other companies have cut retiree healthcare and checks, UAW has kept theirs high." What companies have CUT retiree healthcare and checks????? Bethlehem Steel??? Kaiser Aluminum?? US Air??? Polaroid or Kemper insurance??? Sorry Charlie, but they ALL get their pension monies from YOU AND ME, courtesy of the PBGC. If the Big 3 go belly up, guess who pays the retirees?? Yep, YOU AND ME!!!! And there is no renegging on that, because PBGC is an INSURANCE POLICY, and it will HAVE to be PAID OUT Like the old Fram commercial: Pay a "little" now, or pay a LOT later.

Re: HERE IS WHAT I WENT THRU TOOK ME 3 DAYS [jpflum]: by pla4kps on Mon Nov 17 08:57:02 PST 2008; no problem glad your up and runnin good luck

Re: HERE IS WHAT I WENT THRU TOOK ME 3 DAYS [pla4kps]: by jpflum on Mon Nov 17 06:30:00 PST 2008; hey ,pulled washer tank, pulled harness from ecm cleaned connectors, found middle wire on map elect. plug bare about 3" in nasty oily elect. tape, fixed that, and bingo, started,,BUT why LOL don't ya hate it when you really don't know for SURE what the deal was,,,,,,,thanks for your input and everyone eles,,,,,,,,,,jimbo :shades:

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